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Started by MarkoJii (Evil Twin) in Chit-Chat

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I really hope that everybody who downloads the new album will also buy it. Otherwise you will steal from the band.

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 06:53

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#1

soul doubt (an) wrote:

I don’t know if you people realise that if you torrent this cd, you make it available to other people who maybe don’t intent to buy the cd, so “I will buy the cd when it’s available in the shops” is no excuse

I hope you all think about this and REALLY support the band instead of ripping them off :mad:

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 07:50

#2

Eyesore wrote:

gleb wrote:

Couldnt stay out of a bit torrent tracker and was surprised when i found it there… Yes, i downloaded OCFA.

I’ll download it as soon as I see it. I don’t share anything and I own over 5,000 real CDs so I don’t care. I will have to pay $30 for this CD, I deserve it a little early! Hehehe.

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 09:12

#3

Simon (Simon) wrote:

You can see how easily filesharing sites and torrents can damage artists…we may all be honest people, but in todays world we’re a very small percentage of the people who use it.

I would love for this album to sell loads and be recognised in the charts and all that stuff…i have so many people ask me “so are they still going?…is this a reunion tour?” and would hate for anything to effect this.

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 09:15

#4

soul doubt (an) wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

I don’t share anything

What do you think happens the moment while you are downloading? At that moment you share it!!! you can take it off afterwards, but it’s too late by then! :rolleyes:

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 09:19

#5

30seconds wrote:

To be fair, The people who don’t intend to buy it, but hear the album and then decide that its fantastic,will go on and buy it.

With the big lack of press coverage, its pretty hard for new fans to find out if they are any good.

And, the fans will buy T?’s album anyway, and downloading hasn’t done any harm in the last couple of years, as the fans are loyal to T?

I’ll be giving a review of the album later on today…

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 09:35

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Misanthropologist (d) wrote:

30seconds wrote:

To be fair, The people who don’t intend to buy it, but hear the album and then decide that its fantastic,will go on and buy it.

That’s just optimistic. They’re just as likely to go ‘well, I didn’t intend to pay for it, and now I’ve got it for free. Cool!’

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 09:38

#7

30seconds wrote:

Misanthropologist wrote:

That’s just optimistic. They’re just as likely to go ‘well, I didn’t intend to pay for it, and now I’ve got it for free. Cool!’

I know that when I’ve downloaded a fantastic album(see Arcade fire or sigur ros), It was worth buying the cd to listen on my stereo and Support the artist.

Downloading never did the Arctic monkeys any harm…

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 09:39

#8

soul doubt (an) wrote:

30seconds wrote:

To be fair, The people who don’t intend to buy it, but hear the album and then decide that its fantastic,will go on and buy it.

This is absolutely NOT true, there are a lot of people who download albums and will definately NOT buy it, even when they think it’s fantastic. People want more and more, and why buy it when it’s for free. There are people who don’t want to spend money on a booklet.

I don’t need to look for excuses for myself to talk this cowardly business good. I know this is wrong and I won’t take part in it!

It’s time that people start to think about their actions!!!

30seconds wrote:

And, the fans will buy T?’s album anyway, and downloading hasn’t done any harm in the last couple of years, as the fans are loyal to T?

I hope you don’t believe this yourself!

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 09:45

#9

punkwack (Tijn) wrote:

Title: you’re right soul doubt…

This is not the way..

:(

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 09:51

#10

30seconds wrote:

soul doubt wrote:

This is absolutely NOT true, there are a lot of people who download albums and will definately NOT buy it, even when they think it’s fantastic. People want more and more, and why buy it when it’s for free. There are people who don’t want to spend money on a booklet.

I don’t need to look for excuses for myself to talk this cowardly business good. I know this is wrong and I won’t take part in it!

It’s time that people start to think about their actions!!!

I hope you don’t believe this yourself!

Ok, fair point :cool:

But I’m not sharing mine, and I’ve already pre-ordered my copy of OCFA, so I’m still supporting the artist!

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 09:55

#11

soul doubt (an) wrote:

In case you torrented the cd, you did share it, the time you where downloading it :rolleyes:

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 09:58

#12

30seconds wrote:

soul doubt wrote:

In case you torrented the cd, you did share it, the time you where downloading it :rolleyes:

But it took me only 15 minutes to download, and I was uploading and sharing at about 2kbs, which is basically nothing..

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 09:59

#13

soul doubt (an) wrote:

it it goes so fast for you, it might go so fast for others as well, I don’t think that’s a good excuse… I’m sorry

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 10:00

#14

30seconds wrote:

soul doubt wrote:

it it goes so fast for you, it might go so fast for others as well, I don’t think that’s a good excuse… I’m sorry

Well, I control my upload speed, and I set it to the lowest speed possible, which was 2kbs.
Other people may upload at 15kbs, but I don’t, so thats not my problem.
:)

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 10:02

#15

soul doubt (an) wrote:

upload = upload

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 10:04

#16

30seconds wrote:

soul doubt wrote:

upload = upload

Of course :p

But at 2kbs, they are hardly getting anything off me for that 15 minutes of downloading.

So for me, I’m not helping share the album. I cant speak for everyone else though.

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 10:06

#17

soul doubt (an) wrote:

Everyone who shares contributes to the downloading speed regardless of what there uploadspeed is set to.

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 10:09

#18

andys gibson sg (James Harris) wrote:

I will still buy the cd regardless. This whole download business will really fall on deaf ears. I can’t see you changing a persons mind via a message board. There will be people who will download no matter what and those who avoid it like the plague, you know? Everyone has a point, but whether or not everyone will agree is another thing.

I love Therapy? so its a guarantee I will exchange my cash for their solid efforts, download or no download. I feel I could probably argue both sides of this arguement.

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 10:57

#19

soul doubt (an) wrote:

I’m not trying to change a person’s mind, but people call themselves fans, while they stab them in the back!?
OPEN YOUR EYES!

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 11:01

#20

hoochalobster (Sarah) Super Moderator wrote:

As you can see, a big chuck of this thread has been deleted and I have moved it into chit-chat.

I realise that many of you are very excited about the new album and feel justified in downloading it illegally before the release date - and with every intention of buying it when it comes out. That’s entirely your own business but this message board is not the place to discuss or advertise it.

The rest of this thread I hope will serve as a forum to discuss music piracy in more general terms, as it’s an interesting subject and clearly we here on WoM have very mixed opinions.

Cheers :)

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 11:24

#21

Unrequited_lad wrote:

I can’t wait for it, but I never download anything unless I’m not sure if I’ll buy it or not, and even then I only download a song or two. Since I’m absolutely positive I’ll buy this, I see no reason why I shouldn’t wait the whole five weeks… I have Sprung to tide me over until then anyway :)

Yes, this really is how boring a conversation with me is.

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 12:02

#22

buffalo-boy wrote:

soul doubt wrote:

I’m not trying to change a person’s mind, but people call themselves fans, while they stab them in the back!?
OPEN YOUR EYES!

How amusing!

I remember once I lost a friend because she was vegetariman. I merely pointed out that she was a heavy smoker so was contributing to the death of the entire world whilst trying to save a poxy cow that was bred specially to be killed anyway. See my point?

Downloading is similiar (honest!). You might buy the album but loads of others won’t which will mean poor sales - don’t sweat it! Bands will live to fight another day i’m sure. Single sales r slow and falling fast - it just shows that the record business is about to change mightily and we need to be ready for it. Bring it on! I’m sure T? are saying the same. Rock on! ;)

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 12:35

#23

Tubthumper (Scott) wrote:

Bands can’t fight another day if they don’t have the money to support themselves. Take Therapy? as a perfect example of this. They’re not what you’d call a huge band, and I’m sure they’re not exactly rolling in money, but have enough to support themselves and their families.

However, if more and more people begin to use illegal downloads, and then justify this somehow, then they are taking the money away from the band which is quite rightfully theirs. I don’t think T? would agree with illegal downloads to be honest, considering that it’s their livlihoods which would suffer. Of course, they may always play music, but if sales were to decrease rapidly, they would inevitably be dropped from the label, and it may be a while before you ever saw another release from them. They may release material on their own label, but this costs money.

I’ll admit, I’ve used torrent sites to get albums, but I would never torrent a T? album, or any other smaller band for that matter. This is the point where I may be accused of being slightly hypocritical, which is fair enough I suppose.

Although bands will make the majority of their money from touring, I still think that buying tickets for tours should be no justification for stealing the music of smaller bands, such as Therapy?

Feel free to comment on my hypocrtical stance, but I can’t really give more of a reason for this than I believe we should support the smaller bands, and that bigger bands, for example, Metallica, will not notice the difference so much.

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 12:55

#24

Fordonian wrote:

Just while Metallica are being mentioned - didn’t Ulrich say something along the lines of it being the artist’s right to choose on how and indeed when their music goes out and not just the idea of “If I share my sandwich”? Like him or not he has a good point.

Taking OCFA now means that control of their own art has been taken out T?’s hands and on principal alone that can’t be right.

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 13:11

#25

buffalo-boy wrote:

Just to verify: I was only making a point - I have definately NOT downloaded OCFA, mainly because I don’t know how!!! I will be waiting and buying the album along with all the other good WOM’s! And I think all the people that slagged Lars and his Napster rant should be ashamed of themselves! Look at the aftermath - Eminem , Megadeth and a whole load of others followed suit AFTER Lars had taken all the shit!!! Lars deserves respect!

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 14:12

#26

Fordonian wrote:

Fair play to ya mate! :)

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 15:23

#27

kossu (Petri Koskiniemi) wrote:

MarkoJii wrote:

discussion prior to this point deleted - Hooch

I really hope that everybody who downloads the new album will also buy it. Otherwise you will steal from the band.

Hell yeah, I try find every possible version of this cd, japanise, US, turkish , russian etc. presses. Wish it will be also released as vinyl (both in 12” and a 7” box format) and casette. Also it would be nice to find it in a digipack format?
And hopefully there will be a normal cdsingle or even a 7” of one or even more of the tracks in future as I prefer the “good ol´time” versions better than these download things!!
UGH, have spoken!
BTW; A TRUE FAN ALWAYS BUYS THE OFFICIAL STUFF TOO:)

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 16:55

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Dennis (Dudley Less) wrote:

Therapy? are a good example of why piracy is bad, as they are a band who do NOT fit into the “Rich Rock Stars Who Don’t Need The Money” bracket.

BUT even if they did, it ain’t just the band who lose money, nor is it just the big fat label boss (again they may not be rich either - there are some great labels run on a shoestring by genuine music fans, and which are made or broken by CD sales) it is also the guy who designs the sleeve (not all of them are of Anton Cobijn’s financial status!) and the people who work in the factory making the discs (bet THEY ain’t on big money) or the girl who answers the phone at the distribution warehouse or the eager kid who works in the record shop who just wants to do SOMETHING to do with music but gets minmum wage shifting Girls Aloud CD’s to kids and the odd Therapy? album…

Or the rep who has to drive round shops persuading them to stock the damn thing so you can not buy it anyway cos you downloaded it…
or the printers of the inlays and posters…
Or the guy at the record label who has to phone round all the radio stations to beg for airtime only to be met with “Therapy? ? Erm…who are THEY?!” etc etc

Just a thought.

And yes, I do copy music illegally, I am guilty as charged, fair cop. But when you think about it…it really does make you think, doesn’t it…?

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 17:00

#29

andys gibson sg (James Harris) wrote:

MarkoJii wrote:

discussion prior to this point deleted - Hooch

I really hope that everybody who downloads the new album will also buy it. Otherwise you will steal from the band.

I’ve just pre-ordered my copy (play.com) so I have damn guarantee I’m gonna buy it.
I’d hate to make Therapy? feel like I’m stabbing them in the back. Feel their music has changed and helped me through my life that even buying their CDs is barely a start in saying thank you for all that they’ve done.
I do agree if you’re going to download to get it off your chest then do so and then get rid of it - wait, fork out for the album, isn’t a hard thing to do. Its all up to you but I wouldn’t, personally, feel so loyal as a fan/womble.

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 18:11

#30

Simon (Simon) wrote:

andys gibson sg wrote:

I’ve just pre-ordered my copy (play.com) so I have damn guarantee I’m gonna buy it.
I’d hate to make Therapy? feel like I’m stabbing them in the back. Feel their music has changed and helped me through my life that even buying their CDs is barely a start in saying thank you for all that they’ve done.
I do agree if you’re going to download to get it off your chest then do so and then get rid of it - wait, fork out for the album, isn’t a hard thing to do. Its all up to you but I wouldn’t, personally, feel so loyal as a fan/womble.

Yeah i pre ordered my copy the other day, I remember having to get the last album posted out to me in Australia so i could have it:) this time i wont have to wait that extra few weeks.

Posted on Mon, 27 March 2006 at 18:18

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