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neil isn´t that good i think

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Started by tatty seaside town in Therapy? Live

is saw neil in vienna … he played fyfs stuff much better, than graham did. but there is still a long distance between der drummings.
i don´t understand why he has to use two double bass drums?
he only played them for effect in two songs … don´t remember where?
there is no second snare drum … this is really a thing therapy? needs for their characteristic sound!

during church of noise he wasn´t in time during the brake and he messed up the whole song to me …
in potatoe junkie during the part where only bass and drums play … he got completely out of time and they had to stop the song … micheal looked at him saying “go on” and he just laughed at micheal …
i think that´s not professional like therapy? should be …
such things should not happen in a professional band like therapy? to me it was really embarrassing to see neil geting out of time … he is a drummer … everyone can get off time … but not the drummer in the band?
i know he is the youngest member to join therapy, but a drummer should really be able to play constant.

WHERES FYFE WHEN THEY NEED HIM!?!?!

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 00:09

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#1

rocking roxy wrote:

:eek:

shame on you to say s.th. like this!

well, first i think he is a great drummer! i don’t understand much about drumming, but i understand that much enough to say that he’s good.
second: give him a chance! hello, he is just freshly in and then he shall be perfect from the first second?
maybe he had a bad day when you saw him, maybe he was nervous.
i just remember keith, who was everytime as nervous as hell.

and even if doesn’t use his double drum bass every time, and? at least it looks cool!
and anyway…martin doesn’t use his cello too on every song!

and if you want to see fyfe, just go to the gigs of his band he’s playing now!

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 06:01

#2

Alan wrote:

I have to say that I’ve seen quite a few drumming fuck-ups (from both Fyfe & Graham), so it’s just one of those things. I wouldn’t get too worried about it.

In fact, I remember Graham finishing “Unbeliever” once about 16 bars too soon. The other three just turned around, stared at him, and burst out laughing :)

It happens. Maybe Neil was a little hungover? Maybe just a lapse in concentration? Maybe he did it just to catch Michael off guard? He was laughing after all…

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 07:19

#3

tatty seaside town wrote:

perhaps you two are right.

but the concert yesterday in vienna was too boring to me.
although i was in the first line!
Perhaps then you hear and see mistakes easilier.
Fyfe did mistakes aswell …

but they wouldn´t had to stop a song because of that.
its a band with punk attitude … yeah … but for me its not a typical punk band

when i play with a drummer, i would be pissed off, if he went off time.
but thats every musicians own decision and feelings.

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 08:03

#4

dano wrote:

Loads of bands fuck up! Metallica playing Harvester of Sorrow and missing out a chorus of the song for example, they even released that on a single! So what if he messed up one song! Fyfe fucked up Teethgrinder once at the apollo in Manchester! By that logic maybe they should have 3 drummers at each gig- they could rotate every 15 minutes or so!

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 08:04

#5

Ronald wrote:

Therapy? and their drummers: I AM GETTING FUCKIN SICK AND TIRED of all the moaning about ” Therapy? and their drummers”…Fyfe was so good…blablabla…Graham mishit too much..blablabla…and Neil has got too many nostrils” blablabla…

I on the other hand just appreciate that Andy, Michael and Martin didn’t let their heads down and just went on to look for a new drummer…pfft…and now they have Neil…and hopefully for us and them he will stick with Therapy? right until the end…

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 08:32

#6

mooneycult wrote:

hear fucking hear!! this is still going on in the general area of the board too. if i hear one more person moaning about “graham playing primitive versions of fyfes songs” (HOW can you get more primitive than fyfes drumming??!!!) ect ect ect i’ll be forced to use violence. he left around 8 years ago, get over it!

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 08:44

Last edited by Teethgrinder on Thu, 4 October 2007 at 09:14 (Corrected use of quotes)

#7

rocking roxy wrote:

ronald & mooney:

thank you, finally s.o. had said it loud!

but i guess, this will be a never ending story

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 08:50

#8

tatty seaside town wrote:

isn´t that a message board to discuss things about therapy?
in this discussion i think its not the point, that fyfe left the band … its about drums and therapy in generall

don´t get the point, why it should be stupid to discuss this?
you need not to post a message if you don´t have to say anything for the topic?

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 08:56

#9

Ronald wrote:

Well, I just think you could show a little more respect for Therapy? and more than that..NEIL: It’s all new to him, he is just a human being like you and me, I fuck up things too sometimes…so what…I can understand that you have your own opinion about everything on this board and about Therapy?, but then you should either have given this topic a different name, or just should have posted it in one of the many other moaning topics about the” Drums”…nothing personal towards you TST…would have posted this if it had been anybody else

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 09:39

#10

Rust wrote:

I was in the Botanique, Brussels last week and Neil looked cool to me. Maybe it was because there was a magic atmosphere but i heard no mistakes. As a fact when i amuse myself i never pay attention on how they play! It looked great and it sounded great.

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 09:45

#11

opalmantra wrote:

Pfff. Everyone fucks up.
How many ‘bad notes’ does Andy sing during a gig? How many riffs are not very well executed? Michael misses a note once in a while. It’s part of playing live. And only some bands are almost flawless live (Dream Theather/Tool/Iron Maiden, Rush - musically).

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 09:59

#12

mooneycult wrote:

tatty seaside town wrote:

don´t get the point, why it should be stupid to discuss this?

i don’t think anyone said it was stupid to discuss this, you are certainly entitled to make threads on it if you like, in the same way that i’m entitled to reply to them if i like.

am just exasperated as this topic has been done to death in other threads and it just seems that the same tired opinions are being rehashed again and again. it also just seems unfair and a bit nasty to neil to be judging him like this after a handful of gigs.

let there be peace!!!!

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 10:12

Last edited by Teethgrinder on Thu, 4 October 2007 at 09:14 (Corrected use of quotes)

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tatty seaside town wrote:

opalmantra wrote:

How many ‘bad notes’ does Andy sing during a gig? How many riffs are not very well executed? Michael misses a note once in a while. It’s part of playing live.

i know that … but they don´t stop playing because they got out of time …
everyone misses notes … its part of playing … but a drummer should not stop, because he is off time …
it would be like a bass or gitarr player would stop during a song, because he isn´t able to play along in time … ???
perhaps he (neil) had a bad day … he seemed very sexy to me (like micheal would say *g*)
i´ve nothing against him … he seemed really nice …
but potatoe junkie was messed up for me because of that!

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 10:17

Last edited by Teethgrinder on Thu, 4 October 2007 at 09:15 (Corrected use of quotes)

#14

dano wrote:

I don’t think anybody is critising the fact that you’re having a discussion about the new drummer, I think the fact that it’s the same discussion that just goes round and round is what’s getting on some people’s nerves, there’s only so much you can say on this matter!

So what if they fuck up? They put 100% into everything they do and they appreciate their fans a hell of a lot more than most other groups do, personally I’d rather have the energy over technical excellence at a show. I go to gigs for the vibe ( maaaan! ), not for a musician’s showpiece! The bass fucked up left right and centre at the Manchester gig, but it was a great show.. Andy fucked up the start of church of noise..but it was still a great show, in fact every show I’ve seen has been great irrespective of the fact they’ve fucked up or not.

If a slight glitch is going to ruin it for you and make it seem boring, maybe you should just stick to listening to the records?

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 10:27

#15

opalmantra wrote:

Some drummers actually explode on stage!
Like Peter James Bond :D

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 10:41

#16

nice guys wrote:

Neil fuckin’ rocked in Milano - on and off stage!

A great bloke!

St.

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 11:19

#17

Karl wrote:

It was good to see Neil’s hands actually give him a bit of aggro with blisters after the gig in Manchester. Must admit, I love the gigs so much, I haven’t ever paid my entrance fee just to listen to the drummer, for me Neil done the biz, and good on ya mate :p

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 11:34

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NerveTattoo wrote:

nice guys wrote:

Neil fuckin’ rocked in Milano - on and off stage!

I can confirm. Neil rocked in Milan.

He’s not Fyfe, but he’s ace.

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 12:05

Last edited by Teethgrinder on Thu, 4 October 2007 at 09:15 (Corrected use of quotes)

#19

Ronald wrote:

BTW, I have been going through your posts TST and I come to the conclusion that in your opinion there is just one way and that’s your way…not a lot of positive contributions, just a lot of criticism…

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 14:13

#20

tatty seaside town wrote:

music is art …
art has to get critics … positiv or negativ …
its good that these critics are (good or bad its not the point) … the people who made the music have to deal with it, but every critic is better than no critic, which would tell the artist, that they are not recognized, which ist the worst thing for an artist i think

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 14:33

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#21

Ronald wrote:

And I just hope you are a more positive person IRL than you are on this board…:o

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 15:10

#22

superfabietto wrote:

My opinion is that NEIL ROCKED HARD in Rimini too…
Maybe he’s not Fyfe, but he rocks though…

(Before changing the message boards’ software in August 2007 this post had a file attachment, which may return in the future)

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 15:37

#23

dano wrote:

tatty seaside town wrote:

music is art …
art has to get critics … positiv or negativ …
its good that these critics are (good or bad its not the point) … the people who made the music have to deal with it, but every critic is better than no critic, which would tell the artist, that they are not recognized, which ist the worst thing for an artist i think

eh?

Sorry..am drunk again..I’ll be challenging Ronald at this stage!

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 17:16

#24

RobbyVDH wrote:

Ronald wrote:

Therapy? and their drummers: I AM GETTING FUCKIN SICK AND TIRED of all the moaning about ” Therapy? and their drummers”…Fyfe was so good…blablabla…Graham mishit too much..blablabla…and Neil has got too many nostrils” blablabla…

I on the other hand just appreciate that Andy, Michael and Martin didn’t let their heads down and just went on to look for a new drummer…pfft…and now they have Neil…and hopefully for us and them he will stick with Therapy? right until the end…

Couldn’t agree more… fuck, what kind of bullshit about the drummers…

Fyfe = gone
Graham = gone

Now it’s Neil… if you don’t like him or you don’t like how the band sounds with him, go to a Britney Spears show…

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 17:25

#25

belfagor wrote:

superfabietto wrote:

My opinion is that NEIL ROCKED HARD in Rimini too…
Maybe he’s not Fyfe, but he rocks though…

And you’re absolutely right! Super Cooper rocked big time and no mistake. We enjoyed ourselves, looked as though Therapy? themselves had fun too, plenty of smiles in Milan as well and that’s what really matters to me:)

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 17:28

#26

trigger wrote:

tatty seaside town wrote:

isn´t that a message board to discuss things about therapy?
in this discussion i think its not the point, that fyfe left the band … its about drums and therapy in generall

don´t get the point, why it should be stupid to discuss this?
you need not to post a message if you don´t have to say anything for the topic?

yeah, some people in here always get too angry when someone says anything negative about T?.
ok, we are fans, but get over it. be a little critical or at least let us say our opinions freely and without any moaning.

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 22:03

#27

satanic fieldmouse wrote:

Ronald wrote:

BTW, I have been going through your posts TST and I come to the conclusion that in your opinion there is just one way and that’s your way…not a lot of positive contributions, just a lot of criticism…

I wonder if Pearl Jam fans have this much disscussion about the relative merits of each drummer?

Probably not because they have been one of the more succsessful bands on the planet since the early nineties and can stil fill out arenas worldwide.

Anyone who thinks Fyfe was the only drummer worthy of t? should think about one thing. Do they think this because he was the best drummer t? ever had or because he appeared in most of their early, and more succsessful stuff?

Neil and Graham are good drummers whether or not they are better than Fyfe is to my mind irrelelevant to t? The band are still here they still rock. At the end of the day no matter what we think about his abilities the band obviously think he is worthy of the job.

Sorry if thats a bit monolouge or rant esque

Posted on Wed, 28 May 2003 at 22:09

#28

Superunknown wrote:

satanic fieldmouse wrote:

I wonder if Pearl Jam fans have this much disscussion about the relative merits of each drummer?

with aces like Jack Irons and Matt Cameron behind the drums what can go wrong?

Posted on Thu, 29 May 2003 at 00:40

#29

Pecoranera wrote:

belfagor wrote:

And you’re absolutely right! Super Cooper rocked big time and no mistake. We enjoyed ourselves, looked as though Therapy? themselves had fun too, plenty of smiles in Milan as well and that’s what really matters to me:)

U r absolutely right, that’s what I think too!

Posted on Thu, 29 May 2003 at 13:17

#30

Widgibob wrote:

Title: FilmStar!!!

superfabietto wrote:

My opinion is that NEIL ROCKED HARD in Rimini too…
Maybe he’s not Fyfe, but he rocks though…

Im sure the bloke in between Neil and Michael was in From Dusk Till Dawn???!!!!!

Therapy? aint the Tightist live band, ive seen then all make the od F**k up and they just laugh it off thats what makes watching them so much fun.
Plus i saw Cable quite a lot in their day and i cant remember Niel buggering anything up then

Give him time and he will show his true colours.

Posted on Thu, 29 May 2003 at 17:54

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